we sometimes talk to eachother in dreams, experience switching or another person fronting in dreams, etc. there's been times where we tried seeing each other on purpose too
5:18 PM
but for us they usually don't just appear by themselves, like their whole form. mostly it's just us talking to eachother
Well, its a big step i think. she will probably start talking normally soon enough, maybe even right now. have you just tried to talk to her and let her answer?(edited)
Possession is control of part or all of the body by a tulpa, while switching is actually changing positions so the host is like a tulpa and the tulpa is like the host(edited)
7:41 AM
Switching is a difficult thing to make a guide for or give exact advice on how to do, because it more than any other skill in tulpamancy requires forging the experience for yourself in your own brain.(edited)
7:42 AM
Most people who figured switching out quickly and somewhat easily - like my own system - simply heard it was possible and what it was like, and figured it out on their own from there.
7:43 AM
Attempts at guides will often be one system's own symbolism & method they came up with that worked specifically for them, but there's no guarantee it'll make as much sense to your brain as it did for them. Generally finding your own way to an experience someone has described will meet the least resistance as you fall into the mental patterns/methods that come naturally to you.
7:44 AM
Now, with that said, you're ready to read random switching guides & accounts of people's methods lol.
7:45 AM
If you happen to find a description/method (or even symbolism) that sounds particularly good to you, feel free to try it yourself - now that you know if something doesn't feel good or make sense that it's just one person's experience and you're not locked into it.(edited)
7:47 AM
(This pretty much applies to almost all of tulpamancy, but it's the most important to understand with switching in my opinion)
It turns out i was actually looking for guides on possession because that's what we wanted to learn
I want us to learn switching eventually but possession comes first it seems
I read all of the approved possession guides and they all provide useful tips
I think i'll rely on yuki's guide though since you recommend it and it's the first on the list, lol
Well first of all, early tulpamancers had some really fantastical view of switching and often believed the host could bring their consciousness with them into the wonderland, and then experience imagination "like a lucid dream" and focus on whatever they wanted... while their tulpa focused on things too, like doing their homework for them.
8:10 AM
Suffice to say a lot of very disappointed people realized this wasn't actually realistic over the years.
Reisen
Well first of all, early tulpamancers had some really fantastical view of switching and often believed the host could bring their consciousness with them into the wonderland, and then experience imagination "like a lucid dream" and focus on whatever they wanted... while their tulpa focused on things too, like doing their homework for them.
Second, a lot of people who specialize in possession (like Yuki) get blurred lines of possession vs switching, that is really not great to learn from, as it messes up your expectations and can make your experience not line up with others' later.
8:12 AM
Basically, it seems that systems who practice full-body possession for days or weeks at a time end up progressing into a switching-like experience, that is never quite the same as switching but that also makes what switching is much blurrier - and, apparently as history has shown many times, makes learning switching later much harder.
8:14 AM
Now, I don't think there's actually anything wrong with that "advanced possession" skill for systems who prefer that dynamic. But I've seen enough people who practiced tulpas living through their host's body with possession for many months or years before trying to learn switching and failing, that I think it's prudent to take care to keep these two skills very clearly separated.
8:15 AM
And most guides are pretty old, so they may give some weird ideas that the community eventually didn't settle on here and there, especially when it comes to possession's relation to switching (or what's possible with switching)
So like
That all being said
What is switching compared to possession? I understand possession as being where the tulpa takes control of the body, and the host steps back from control, but the host is still aware of what's going on?
In simple terms, a tulpa possessing - even if they're flawlessly controlling your whole body - should not have any effect on your (the host's) mental presence. In systems that practice the tulpa living through the host's body with possession for long unbroken periods of time, they may start to think like the tulpa and not the host, and at that point you've likely made ever learning switching much more complicated to figure out/differentiate.
Kei Wendt
So like
That all being said
What is switching compared to possession? I understand possession as being where the tulpa takes control of the body, and the host steps back from control, but the host is still aware of what's going on?
If you the host are in the driver's seat of the car that is your body and your tulpa is a passenger, switching is like getting out of the driver's seat entirely and sitting in the passenger seat (or even the back seats) while the tulpa takes the driver's position.
Possession.. in this metaphor, I would say is like your tulpa leaning over to put their hands on the steering wheel, but the host/driver remains right where they are in the mind. So the body's control feels a little detached.
Possession doesn't actually necessarily feel "clunky" in the same way that metaphor sounds though, so it doesn't perfectly describe possession, but I think it gets the point across.
8:24 AM
In possession you/the host does not go anywhere mentally, it's more like your tulpa has external control (though it will feel more natural and seamless with practice).
In switching, the human being there is essentially a different person now. Early limitations aside (my tulpas got physically and mentally tired when switching for ever-increasing amounts of time for a while until eventually they could be switched all day, go to sleep, and still wake up switched in), the tulpa could just be the host from that point forward in the body's life and the host could be a tulpa.
8:28 AM
There's more nuance than that, but it paints the picture.
Nuances include for example that your tulpa is still using the same brain as you, so many ways of thinking that are simply the basic neural connections in your brain won't change entirely - it's hard to describe how some things can change entirely while others remain the same until you've experienced it, I think. Background thought processes and physical habits usually stay the same, but the conscious stuff could change entirely - my tulpa Tewi is far more productive, better focused and motivated than me simply because of how she manages the mind, and Lucilyn sees the world as more positive and fun than me. They're both still using the same brain... but they use it differently.
8:30 AM
Another nuance - even those basic body-brain things can be changed with conscious effort or just strong enough will exerted by a tulpa while switched over time. Some tulpas do actually have different physical habits or background (non-conscious) thought processes, and that just comes with them training the brain to better reflect who and how they are over time.
8:32 AM
Tewi did this very much on purpose in our case, constantly fighting with all of the automatic thoughts our brain apparently had that I just accepted, but that she was wholly unsatisfied with - she demanded a quiet brain that didn't bother her when she'd made decisions and such. And Lucilyn didn't seemingly do anything on purpose, but her will is very strong, and somehow she manages to consistently have more exciting and interesting dreams than any of the rest of us when she sleeps while switched; presumably because she just sees life like that.
8:33 AM
Uh, and so on - sorry to write so much lol.
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8:33 AM
Point is, switching is rather different in the brain than possession.
8:33 AM
Possession changes who's physically moving the body, but switching changes who the person is.
If your consciousness is the driver's seat that you/the host has been sitting in their entire life, possession is your tulpa reaching over just to turn its steering wheel and press the gas, while switching is getting out of that seat entirely and letting your tulpa take your place.
At least, that's our system's model. It's the only one that makes sense to us, though, and we've thought over all aspects of tulpamancy quite a bit.(edited)
Makes sense
Eishi just explained to me a bit more so i think it makes more sense to me now
Cuz like
When you're possessing, the host can still access the steering wheel and stuff, and has more control than if you switch?
Well first of all, early tulpamancers had some really fantastical view of switching and often believed the host could bring their consciousness with them into the wonderland, and then experience imagination "like a lucid dream" and focus on whatever they wanted... while their tulpa focused on things too, like doing their homework for them.
A list of the various guides, tips, and articles submitted to tulpa.info, arranged by their topic. Whether an entry is approved or disapproved depends on tulpa.info's Guide Approval Team (GAT), which does its best to try to make sure all guides are up to standards and easy to understand. Submissi...
As for what i personally did i just kept talking to my tulpa and he eventually answered in more full sentences
But i'm sure there are better tips on that page
so eliza, if you were to talk literally to yourself, not to your tulpa, how would the dialogue go? you know, if you just tried to simulate a dialogue real time
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